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Info-Hams Digest            Mon,  1 Nov 93       Volume 93 : Issue 1300

Today's Topics:
                         "Vanity" Call Signs
                  ARRL Field Organization Reflector
                        Freebies from ARRL HQ
                      Info-Hams Digest V93 #1298
                magazine article about antenna tuners
                       MFJ 1278 and Drake TR-4
                      More freebies from ARRL HQ
             NON-DELIVERY of:  Info-Hams Digest V93 #1294
                        RECIPOP info available
                      Studying in San Francisco
         Who is the guy broadcasting from the Belgrade Lakes?

Send Replies or notes for publication to: <[e-mail]>
Send subscription requests to: <[e-mail]>
Problems you can't solve otherwise to [e-mail].

Archives of past issues of the Info-Hams Digest are available
(by FTP only) from UCSD.Edu in directory "mailarchives/info-hams".

We trust that readers are intelligent enough to realize that all text
herein consists of personal comments and does not represent the official
policies or positions of any party.  Your mileage may vary.  So there.
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Date: 1 Nov 93 16:57:38 GMT
From: mnemosyne.cs.du.edu!nyx10![e-mail]
Subject: "Vanity" Call Signs
To: [e-mail]

In article <[e-mail]>,
 <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>Once upon a time, for a short period, extras (?) could get specific
>>calls by request.  For example, locally a guy known as OJ is K0OJ.
>That "once upon a time" was 76 and part of 77.

Actually, it extended farther back into '75, and was nearly all of '77 (at
least). I got this call in July '77, and was nowhere near the end of the
program.

>Check out K0PP whose last name is KOPP..

Hm. I bet there aren't many cases like that...
--
Jay Maynard, EMT-P, K5ZC, PP-ASEL | Never ascribe to malice that which can
[e-mail]      | adequately be explained by stupidity.
    "The road to Usenet is littered with dead horses." -- Jack Hamilton

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Date: 1 Nov 93 11:50:10 EDT
From: psinntp![e-mail]
Subject: ARRL Field Organization Reflector
To: [e-mail]

  [e-mail] Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) List

                   Revised:  Nov. 1, 1993

What is FIELDORG?

[e-mail] is an electronic mail reflector dedicated to hams
interested in any and all types of ARRL Field Organization matters.

This is an EXCELLENT method of utilizing your already-existing Email
capabilities for discussing Amateur Radio activities
relating to the Amateur Radio Emergency Service, ARRL National Traffic
System operation, the Amateur Auxiliary to the FCC's Field
Operations Bureau, etc. It's also a superb way of keeping in touch
with the many thousands of  others who are interested in the
organizational aspects of the ARRL, including Section Managers, Section
Emergency Coordinators, DECs, ECs, Bulletin Managers,
Technical Coordinators, Section Traffic  Managers, Official Relay
Stations, Official Observers, State Government Liaisons, Technical
Specialists, Volunteer Counsels, Volunteer Consulting Engineers,
Affiliated Club Coordinators, ARRL Affiliated Club Presidents
and other club officials, and Public Information Coordinators/Officers.

Each message you send to [e-mail] will be sent out to all
the other subscribers, kinda like a 2-meter repeater that has a
coverage radius of 12,000 miles or so! Think of sending mail to the
list as the equivalent of an ANNOUNCE/FULL message on PacketCluster.
Of course, you can continue to use regular email to send messages
to specific individuals as you no doubt already do.  But you're
certainly not required to; one of the really slick things about
a reflector like this is that you can simply "read the mail" and
never contribute -- although we certainly hope you WILL chime in
at frequent and regular intervals.

Electronic mail is different from packet radio, in that many
subscribers receive their email through commercial services such as
CompuServe, MCImail, BIX, GEnie, America On Line, and others.
And the Field Organization reflector enhances those e-mail
capabilities even further.

Now let me provide you with a list of a few of the benefits that
you'll immediately begin enjoying, once you subscribe (no charge,
of course!) to [e-mail]:

1.  All W1AW bulletins -- straight from the horse's mouth, so to
    speak.  Bulletin Managers and Official Bulletin Stations, take note!

2.  Prompt, reliable, and accurate communications with other ARRL
    Section Managers, their staffs, their appointees, and -- well,
    let's face it, EVERYBODY who participates in the FIELDORG
    reflector...

3.  The ARRL Letter.  No, you won't get it as fast as those who pay
    for it, but you'll get it shortly thereafter, certainly.  And it's
    an excellent way for club newsletter editors, Public Information
    Coordinators, and PIOs to keep abreast of the hottest ARRL topics.

4.  Section Leader and Field Forum newsletters.  In these two cases, you'll
    not only get it FASTER than those who get it by Snail Mail, but you'll
    have it in ASCII format so that you can utilize any or all of it
    for your own newsletters, club talks, and teaching efforts.

In order to minimize spurious messages, follow the operating hints
detailed below.

How do I join FIELDORG?

Send subscription requests, unsubscription requests, change of e-mail
address  requests and questions of an administrative nature *only* to
[e-mail].  Send messages to be broadcast to *all* net members to
[e-mail].

What are the suggested "operating practices" for FIELDORG?

Put your name and call sign on every message you send. We don't all
know everyone by just a call or a nickname.

Use a subject line that indicates the true subject of your message.

Eschew flamage.  If someone sends a flame to the list and you can't
bite your tongue, (or your keyboard!) send your flaming reply directly
back to the flaming individual, not back to the list.  Treat flamers
the way you would 2-meter repeater jammers - ignore them.

Make sure there is something of value in each message you send to the
list.  PLEASE avoid messages that are a complete reprint of someone else's
message, with nothing but "I agree" or "Me too" added to the bottom --
not much value there, and it angers some participants to boot.
When following up to someone else's message, be sure to include ONLY
the essential pieces of thread of the note.  Do NOT include those
20 extra header lines that your mail gateway tacked onto the original message.

How can I find out more about the Internet?

Pick up a copy of the book _The Internet Companion_ by Tracy LaQuey,
Addison-Wesley, ISBN 0-201-62224-6.  If your local technical book
store doesn't carry it, you can order from Computer Literacy,
2590 North First Street, San Jose, CA 95131.  Their phone number is
408-435-0744.


|       |   |         Deputy Manager, Field Services, ARRL.
|       |___|         The ARRL Amateur Radio Emergency Service, the ARRL
| uck   |   |urder    National Traffic System, The Amateur Auxiliary to
------  |   |         the FCC's Field Operations Bureau, the ARRL
     KY1T             Field Organization and the ARRL Monitoring System.
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[e-mail]   Prodigy - MGTS39A,  BIX - ARRL,
   MCI Mail - RPALM, MCI Mail - "ARRL", America On Line - "ARRL HQ"
        Compuserve - 70007,3373 (ARRL HQ)  -- Genie ARRL.HQ

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Date: 1 Nov 93 11:51:00 EDT
From: psinntp![e-mail]
Subject: Freebies from ARRL HQ
To: [e-mail]

A reminder to all that the American Radio Relay League
continues to make available to Amateur Radio Operators and
non-amateurs alike a wide variety of free materials and
services.  Of particular interest to the not-yet-licensed
individual would be the ARRL Prospective Ham Package.  In
the PHP, one would find:
-
1.  Printouts of Volunteer Examination session
opportunities  in his/her area.
-
2.  Listings of Amateur Radio clubs in his location.
-
3.  Helpful promotional material about the Amateur Radio
Service.
-
The already-licensed individual might well be interested
in  another free ARRL publication, the ARRL Public Service
Communications Manual. The PSCM represents the "bible" of
public service communications, and clearly/concisely
points  out how the ARRL National Traffic System and the
ARRL  Amateur Radio Emergency Service function as a
cohesive unit to provide the maximum support to the public
both in times  of disaster as well as "normal" times.
-

To obtain any of these free ARRL services, please
provide  me with:
-
A.  Your name
B.  Your postal mailing address
C.  A Specific request for either of the two services
above.
-
73!




|       |   |         Deputy Manager, Field Services, ARRL.
|       |___|         The ARRL Amateur Radio Emergency Service, the ARRL
| uck   |   |urder    National Traffic System, The Amateur Auxiliary to
------  |   |         the FCC's Field Operations Bureau, the ARRL
     KY1T             Field Organization and the ARRL Monitoring System.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
[e-mail]   Prodigy - MGTS39A,  BIX - ARRL,
   MCI Mail - RPALM, MCI Mail - "ARRL", America On Line - "ARRL HQ"
        Compuserve - 70007,3373 (ARRL HQ)  -- Genie ARRL.HQ

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Date: 1 Nov 93 17:36:52 GMT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Info-Hams Digest V93 #1298
To: [e-mail]

Greg, KE4DPX writes:

>Several people in the area (including myself) use the Realistic HTX-202
>and are very pleased with them. They are rugged and dependable units (I've
>dropped mine on concrete and it still keeps ticking), come with everything
>you need, and have have a very tight front-end. Of course this means that
>the HTX-202 isn't nearly as prone to intermod as some of the others. What
>I particularly like about Radio Shack is that they sell the HTX-202 and
>HTX-404 with everything -- DTMF encode and decode, CTCSS encode and decode,
>auto-dial, etc. -- whereas most other companies sell the bare-bones HT
>and make everything else optional, extra-cost items. Quite frankly, I'm
>amazed some of the others actually include a rubber duck antenna as standard
>equipment when they could sell them as a $30 to $50 add-on. :-)
>



I have an HTX 202 and also like it for the same reasons you do.  As to
ruggedness, I heard an interesting story on a local repeater.  The operator
dropped it (presumably only 3-4 feet) and said that he had to have the
"receive coils realigned" because it was off-frequency after the drop.
This is the first story like this that I've heard, most others were
descriptions of the 202's ruggedness (for example: talked with a guy who
dropped his off of a roof: only damage was a split rubber duck antenna
which RS replaced for free).  Has anyone else heard of receiver alignment
problems after rough handling or a drop?


Mark KA3LFG

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Date: 1 Nov 93 11:09:39 EST
From: dog.ee.lbl.gov!agate!spool.mu.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!world!ksr![e-mail]
Subject: magazine article about antenna tuners
To: [e-mail]

[e-mail] (John F. Woods) writes:
>[e-mail] (Cecil A Moore) writes:
>>Here is a quote from a recent magazine article about antenna tuners:
>>"... it (the antenna tuner) also tunes out all mismatches in the system,
>>including transmission line to antenna mismatch, and also any non-
>>resonance in the antenna itself."
>>Question: Is the meaning clear and if so, what is the meaning?
>The meaning is clear.  The meaning is that the author hasn't got a clue as
>to what he or she is talking about.

Having not seen the article, I don't know what the context was; if the author
wasn't claiming that the antenna "tuner" fixes up the mismatch *on the
transmission line*, but just makes sure the transmitter sees a pure 50-ohm
load, then my comment there was incorrect.  If the author claimed that the
tuner could cause the SWR to be 1:1 over the entire length of coax, he's
dead wrong.  (Unless, of course, the tuner is *at* the antenna.)

As I said:
>_Reflections: Transmission Lines and Antennas_, by Walt Maxwell ($20 from the
>ARRL).  Buy this book.  Live it.

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Date: 1 Nov 93 19:08:18 GMT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: MFJ 1278 and Drake TR-4
To: [e-mail]

I have a Drake TR-4 and an MFJ 1278 that I use together on
RTTY.  The cable that goes into the mic jack from the 1278
has to be manually unplugged each time I go to receive because
there seems to be something keying the Drake even though the
1278 is in receive mode.  I've double checked the cable for
the obvious shorts.  This makes HF AMTOR or Packet operation
impossible.  MFJ was unable to provide assistance.
Please reply via info-hams or to me directly at
[e-mail].


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Date: 1 Nov 93 15:52:19 GMT
From: psinntp![e-mail]
Subject: More freebies from ARRL HQ
To: [e-mail]

    Interested in the Amateur Radio Service, but don't
know where to turn to locally for assistance?

    Well, one of the very best ways to get a local helping
hand is to establish a relationship with your local
Amateur Radio club.  And most areas of the country have
more clubs than you'd think possible.

    Ah, but the eternal question is always "Say, just how
DO I contact an Amateur Radio club near me?"

    Well, folks, do I have a deal for you!

    For the price of a message to me here at ARRL HQ,
(SEEMS cheap enough!) and a specific request, I can get
you listings of more clubs than you'd ever want to visit.

    To make it happen, please send me a message with your
name, your mailing address, and a specific request for the
Amateur Radio clubs in your area.  I'll get them right out
to you.

    And for those of you who are already licensed radio
amateurs, remember, your local clubs represent an ENORMOUS
resource for you.

    Having trouble with TVI or local  ordinances that
affect your capability to serve the public by way of your
Amateur Radio license?  Interested in finding someone to
assist with a tower installation?  Need to locate a
kindred spirit that understands YOUR concerns about
Amateur Radio satellite operation or digital networking
via Amateur Radio?  Chances are that someone in your club
can help.

    Another free service, brought to you by the world's
largest support organization for the Amateur Radio Service

-- the American Radio Relay League.


|       |   |         Deputy Manager, Field Services, ARRL.
|       |___|         The ARRL Amateur Radio Emergency Service, the ARRL
| uck   |   |urder    National Traffic System, The Amateur Auxiliary to
------  |   |         the FCC's Field Operations Bureau, the ARRL
     KY1T             Field Organization and the ARRL Monitoring System.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
[e-mail]   Prodigy - MGTS39A,  BIX - ARRL,
   MCI Mail - RPALM, MCI Mail - "ARRL", America On Line - "ARRL HQ"
        Compuserve - 70007,3373 (ARRL HQ)  -- Genie ARRL.HQ

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Date: 1 Nov 93 18:33:18 GMT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: NON-DELIVERY of:  Info-Hams Digest V93 #1294
To: [e-mail]

                           Delivery Failure Report

                               Your document:
                          Info-Hams Digest V93 #1294
                         could not be delivered to:
                              David Bourgue@UB
                                  because:
       User David Bourgue@UB not listed in public Name & Address Book
                                Routing path:
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Info-Hams Digest            Sun, 31 Oct 93       Volume 93 : Issue 1294

Today's Topics:
                 GAY INTERNATIONAL HAM RADIO CLUB
                     Mac users!! Read this!!!

Send Replies or notes for publication to: <[e-mail]>
Send subscription requests to: <[e-mail]>
Problems you can't solve otherwise to [e-mail].

Archives of past issues of the Info-Hams Digest are available
(by FTP only) from UCSD.Edu in directory "mailarchives/info-hams".

We trust that readers are intelligent enough to realize that all text
herein consists of personal comments and does not represent the official
policies or positions of any party.  Your mileage may vary.  So there.
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Date: Sat, 30 Oct 93 14:48:40 GMT
From: mnemosyne.cs.du.edu!nyx![e-mail]
Subject: GAY INTERNATIONAL HAM RADIO CLUB
To: [e-mail]

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Donnelly R.
Bleds oe) writes:
>From: "James L. Kelly" <[e-mail]>
>Subject: LARC vs ARRL
>
>Hello Everyone,
>
>Don (WB6LYI) has received a number of very supportive E-Mail messages from
>hams in response to his posting of a general LARC informational message to
>several ham newsgroups on the Internet.
>
>The support we're receiving proves that there are many fair-minded hams
>who do not support discrimination against gays. Some of them are even
>willing to go to bat for us with their ARRL officials!
>
>We have done two things to get us to this point. First, we've challenged
>the discrimination directed at us from within the hobby. Second, we've
>done so in a public manner. It's important to realize that people can't
>help us if they don't know about us, who we are, and what problems we're
>encountering. Therefore, we must continue to be forthright and public in
>our determination to be treated in a fair and just manner. We can't go
>wrong as long as we tell the truth and seek justice. That's the reason why
>the ARRL has been silent about LARC for eight years now. They can't easily
>defend an unfair and unjust policy.
>
>I think a recap of our situation with the ARRL might be useful at this
>time since some individuals have asked what we are seeking.
>
>Basically, we are seeking an agreement on the part of the ARRL to end the
>discriminatory practices directed at LARC, adoption and publication of a
>corporate non-discriminatory policy which includes sexual
>minorities, recognition on their part that their past discriminatory
practices >have hurt our organization, and a willingness on their part to
work with >our club to repair the damage done to our organization and help
us grow >consistent with the ARRL mission to promote amateur radio.
>
>It is important to note that our discrimination complaint remains pending
>because the ARRL has not agreed to cease discriminatory practices against
>LARC, in fact, they deny that they have discriminated against LARC. The
>ARRL has said that they believe our complaint is moot since they have
>agreed to run an ad which LARC submitted in 1991. However, LARC has no
>guarantee that this decision would not be reversed and our ad once again
>removed from the pages of QST. The Connecticut Commission on Human Rights
>and Opportunities investigator has indicated, contrary to the statement
>of ARRL officials, that the case is not moot.

In other words you are suing the ARRL out of spite because they will not
admit their non-existent guilt !

Support immorality or we will sue you, this seems to be the gay's message.







>
>LARC stands ready, as we have since 1985, to work with the ARRL for the
>betterment of amateur radio. However, there is no place in amateur radio
>for discrimination of any kind. We are prepared to negotiate a settlement
>to our discrimination complaint. However, the ARRL has been silent on this
>issue for eight years and has thus far not indicated a willingness to

Maybe they haven't broken the law.  Maybre the membership knows that the
gays promote a dangerous lifestyle.

>negotiate, renounce past discriminatory policies, or work with LARC to

Have they discriminated against gays ?  Do you have any evidence of
discrimination against gays other than their rejection of the gay add ?

>promote amateur radio. Until such time as the leadership of the League
>recognizes their obligation to renounce their past discriminatory policies
>and practices once and for all, and return to spirit of their motto "Of,
by >and for the radio amateur" including all amateurs, gay and straight,
LARC >will continue to seek justice and fair treatment in the State of
>Connecticut and in the court of public opinion.
>



It is jerks like that that are forcing the ARRL to waste money on non
amateur radio causes.  I like many ARRL members believe that gay sexual
practices are wrong and would oppose this settlement, even going as
far as quitting the ARRL in protest.


>73,
>
>Jim, KK3K
>
>Jim Kelly, Amateur Radio Licensee KK3K ([e-mail])
>M.A. Candidate - Political Science - Temple University       \
>President - Lambda Amateur Radio Club for Sexual Minorities   \
                                             Perversion



Rod N0NZO
--
Rod Anderson                | "I do not think the United States government
[e-mail]      | is responsible for the fact that a bunch of
                         | fanatics decided to kill themselves"
Clinton, Gore, gone in four |        Slick Willie the Compassionate

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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1993 16:10:08 GMT
From:
sdd.hp.com!nigel.msen.com!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!sunic!t
rane.uninett.no!news.eunet.no!nuug!news.eunet.fi!fuug!krk!krksun.krk.fi!tofi@net
w
ork.ucsd.edu
Subject: Mac users!! Read this!!!
To: [e-mail]

Hi there!!

I wonder if there are any QSO LOG-programs to the Macintosh.
THANKS in advance.

Kristoffer H{ggstr|m
[e-mail]

PS. Please reply to my personal address.

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Date: 1 Nov 93 15:53:09 GMT
From: psinntp![e-mail]
Subject: RECIPOP info available
To: [e-mail]

Yet another of the many free services that ARRL HQ offers is the
ability to obtain Reciprocol Operating permit information.

Matter of fact, ARRL HQ is the ONLY place on the planet where
this information resides!

"Awrite, already" sez you, "why would I ever want one, and how
much are ya gonna burn me to GET one?"   "Glad you asked!" sez I

Radio amateurs are a constantly-travelling, very mobile, bunch
of folks, it appears, and their travels clearly take them to
countries near and far.  Myself, I prefer "far" rather than 'near',
but if you're inclined to travel to Canada, you can ignore this whole
tome, as the Canadian government and our own here in the States have
worked out an automatic-reciprocity agreement.

But if Belize is on your itinerary perhaps, or any of the other many
countries with whom we share a reciprocol operating agreement, you're
in luck!  Many foreign administrations DO allow U.S. Amateur Radio
licensees to apply for a reciprocol operating permit, and you need
but ask us for the complimentary package that we make available.

To make your trip more enjoyable in that regard, we need:

1.  Your name
2.  Your POSTAL mailing address
3.  A specific request for the RECIPOP package for the specific country
    you'll be off to.


|       |   |         Deputy Manager, Field Services, ARRL.
|       |___|         The ARRL Amateur Radio Emergency Service, the ARRL
| uck   |   |urder    National Traffic System, The Amateur Auxiliary to
------  |   |         the FCC's Field Operations Bureau, the ARRL
     KY1T             Field Organization and the ARRL Monitoring System.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
[e-mail]   Prodigy - MGTS39A,  BIX - ARRL,
   MCI Mail - RPALM, MCI Mail - "ARRL", America On Line - "ARRL HQ"
        Compuserve - 70007,3373 (ARRL HQ)  -- Genie ARRL.HQ

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Date: 1 Nov 93 15:58:29 GMT
From: ogicse!emory!rsiatl!ke4zv![e-mail]
Subject: Studying in San Francisco
To: [e-mail]

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Michael Sattler) writes:
>
>Thanks for the reply.  If what you say is true, then why do so many
>people (including the military) mount huge whip antennae with shiny
>loading coils on their bumpers?

Because if they mounted those huge whips on the top they'd hit every
highway overpass in the country. As I said, *when mechanically feasible*,
the best place to mount an antenna is in the center of the roof.

Gary
--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |"If 10% is good enough | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary
Destructive Testing Systems | for Jesus, it's good  | uunet!rsiatl!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             | enough for Uncle Sam."| emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     | -Ray Stevens          |

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Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1993 14:58:26 GMT
From: mdisea!mothost!merlin.dev.cdx.mot.com![e-mail]
Subject: Who is the guy broadcasting from the Belgrade Lakes?
To: [e-mail]

comming from the Belgrade Lakes area of Maine.  I believe
the guys name was Glen ... and he seemed to be broadcasting
a political agenda.  Does anyone know how this person can
broadcast in such a manner and also what is his goal?

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Date: 1 Nov 93 17:26:45 GMT
From: ogicse!uwm.edu!linac!att!cbnewsc![e-mail]
To: [e-mail]

References <[e-mail]>, <[e-mail]>, <[e-mail]>
Subject : Re: GAY INTERNATIONAL HAM RADIO CLUB

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Mr. Nice Guy) writes:
>..........................some deleted
>
>It is jerks like that that are forcing the ARRL to waste money on non

Tsk, tsk - name calling. Getting to be as bad here as 313.

>amateur radio causes.  I like many ARRL members believe that gay sexual
>practices are wrong and would oppose this settlement, even going as
>far as quitting the ARRL in protest.
>
>..........................some deleted
>Rod N0NZO

It seems that  if  ARRL  wants  to  maintain  its  privileged  (non-profit,
educational;  VEC,  etc)  status  it  is  going  to  have to conform to the
prevailing standards of non-discrimination.

If some members want to exclude a minority the management may,  or  course,
try  to  accommodate  those  members.   If  they want to push the limits of
discrimination though, they'll just have to live with  the  idea  that  the
organization  will  incur a cost when those they injure avail themselves of
government process to seek redress.

At bottom, the problem is the desire on  the  part  of  _some_  members  to
exclude  _some_  fellow hams.  So your proposed quitting is probably best -
if ARRL is to continue as a public organization and you can't  stand  equal
participation  by  all.   Of  course, the membership could also remove ARRL
from  its  public  status  and  make  it  a   private   (taxpaying,   etc.)
organization.   Then  they  would  be  more,  but  not  absolutely, free to
discriminate as you like.  The choice is ours, but we can't  have  it  both
ways.

73 DE K9JMA  (ARRL life member)
--
Ed Schaefer                  K9JMA ham radio           N97178 aviation

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